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No Advertisements At All 10%  10%  [ 1 ]
Banner Ads Only (Above and Below) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Forum Ads Only (Many forums have a "sponsor bot" post after each new topic.) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Both Banner and Forum Ads 50%  50%  [ 5 ]
Other Idea (Please Explain) 40%  40%  [ 4 ]
Watchlord, I hate your guts for even considering this, please burn in hell. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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PostPosted: Mon 6. May 2013, 22:52 
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Alright, since it seems like the English forum is the only active forum right now, I will ask here.

We have kept it kinda of secret, but I feel many of you are already catching on. Please don't talk about this outside of this forum.

Andy will no longer be the owner of Indica-Fans soon, and he asked me to take over everything. I assume it was because my schooling work puts me in a position to devote a lot of time to the project, and I am somewhat experienced with all the technicalities. So, I am honored to have been chosen.

There is only one problem. Although I can devote almost undivided attention and time to Indica-Fans, my schooling leaves me relativity broke and unable to work much. So, until I graduate and get a good job, supporting Indica-Fans out of pocket is not impossible, but very difficult. Andy has supported this site with his own money for a long time, and that is deserving of commendation. Site hosting and holding all of the domains can get quite expensive for someone in my position.

If it is the only way and I was able, I would gladly make a same sacrifice, but it is just not practical. I am asking what your position on advertisements would be. It might be possible to get advertising that would allow Indica-Fans to support it's own existence financially. As an example, there would just be banner ads advertising targeted things such as a Nuclear Blast album, or something like that. Any ad revenue would probably be under what is needed or break even. In the rare circumstance that there was actually a profit, that extra money would go into site improvements or other projects decided by the members.

So what is your opinion on advertising that would be "theme appropriate" and subtle?


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PostPosted: Tue 7. May 2013, 00:02 
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Well of course I, for one, support any ads that don't completely mess up the forum, if the alternative is no forum. (?)

But... I think the best and the most "right" thing would be if Indica paid you for doing such work, at least enough to cover your expenses, preferably some more for your time too.

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PostPosted: Tue 7. May 2013, 00:19 
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Well of course I, for one, support any ads that don't completely mess up the forum, if the alternative is no forum. (?)

But... I think the best and the most "right" thing would be if Indica paid you for doing such work, at least enough to cover your expenses, preferably some more for your time too.


The alternative isn't completely no forum, but I'd rather not have to choose between gas money or keeping the forum up. I have a bit saved up, but I don't like asking for money or paying for something without an income to replenish what I have.

We are a fan group, so we can't ask Indica or Nuclear blast to pay for our fandom. As far as my time goes, I will not except payment for doing this. This is totally volunteer because Indica awesome and I like doing it. The only money issue is paying for the hosting of the site, which is not my expense, but a general Indica-Fans expense. I don't mind paying for it myself if I have the ability. When I get out of school I might even be able to put the site on my own physical server(s) and not have to pay for hosting.

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PostPosted: Tue 7. May 2013, 05:29 
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As long as you don't go for the supremely annoying input-blocking ads, everything's dandy.

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PostPosted: Tue 7. May 2013, 05:50 
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Never.

It would be like this:

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PostPosted: Tue 7. May 2013, 08:41 
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If the site has enough traffic for covering the hosting costs by ads, go ahead.

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PostPosted: Tue 7. May 2013, 10:01 
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Nuclear Blast and such related banners sound fine to me. But I am sceptical that this forum has enough traffic to have any revenues from ads.
Another thing if I may suggest is the donation button; make it discrete, of course.

Just out of curiosity, what is the monthly cost of this domain?

edit: I don't know about forum ads, they seem really awkward to me and the effect may be negative, but if they work then who am I to be the judge..


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PostPosted: Tue 7. May 2013, 12:07 
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I am not not against ads if:

1. The ads do not mess with the forum, you can read everything without a problem (without closing the ads window first).
2. The ads are mute - no sound!
3. The ads do not contain porn or something disgusting. They must be aesthetically neutral. Emm... No babes with big boobs or something. The ads bar must not contradict Indica style. Our forum must not look like it is Madonna or Kylie Minogue forum because of ads.
4. As for Nuclear Blast ads, I fully support it!

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I gave nuclear blast ads as an example of how google targets ads. Google ads are mute, aproprate, and targeted to th theme of the site, so I assume they would be music related things. Hosting would maybe be around $20-30 a month easily. I can totally cover that cost, but I have no income and a lot of college expenses.

So, basically I can pay for it, but I am more comfortable with a self-sufficient site. The donate button is probably a good idea.

To be honest, I am starting to not like the idea of ads myself.

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PostPosted: Tue 7. May 2013, 18:32 
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While I'm not pro-ads if it isn't necessary, I don't think I'd be so put off by them to say, stop visiting the forum, or constantly complain about them. I agree with Wishmaster, the forum is, unfortunately, probably not popular enough for the ads to gain enough revenue, though I'll do my best to spread word about it (which, in all honesty, probably won't do much, as I don't have a Facebook or other such social networking accounts, but oh well).

I also agree on the donation button option; with Serbia finally having PayPal, I'll probably be opening up a bank account and getting a card soon, so hopefully, I'd be able to donate, though I'm not entirely certain, but hey, positive thoughts, right?

Also, since this is the official forum and whatnot, it might not be that bad of an idea to contact Nuclear Blast about at least partial coverage of hosting expenses; Indica is one of their brands, so they might as well help keeping them promoted. It's in their interest, and honestly, almost any band worth a dime has at least a forum nowadays (bigger acts, of course, have official, sponsored fanclubs), so it might not be a total shot in the dark. It is very commendable that you want to take on the responsibility and expenses on your own, Watchlord, but it doesn't mean you should. Just my two cents.

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PostPosted: Tue 7. May 2013, 21:47 
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I guess I was first apposed to the donation button or speaking to Nuclear Blast (this will have to be way in the future if at all) because I feel uncomfortable asking for money, and that would mean the site is not self sufficient.

Also, I'm afraid I might get: "If you aren't able to fund the site out of pocket, why are you running it?" We'll, I can support it out of pocket, however difficult. Because of academic situation, I am not able to get a decent job, but I can be on call 24/7 to support the site administratively.

Edit: I'm afraid I have to agree, the site probably doesn't get enough visitors to get any ad revenue out of.

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PostPosted: Tue 7. May 2013, 22:37 
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Just tossing in an idea:
How about redirecting to some free hosting? I'm not very much into web stuff, so I don't know if this domain can be only used for redirecting with minimal expenses that could be more easily covered. I assume it's not the same price for the whole forum and only redirecting page... Or am I wrong here?

edit: what ultimately happened to old forum? I see it says offline, but can it be reclaimed? Maybe contact admin of the indica-music page (official), wipe it clean (members can stay, bots removed), put some anti-bot protection and move there?


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Free hosting is to proprietary and restrictive to run this site on, so it's not an option. I have already though about this idea.

When I graduate, I will host the site 100%. I'm talking about actual web servers in my house.

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Wishmaster wrote:
Just tossing in an idea:


what ultimately happened to old forum? I see it says offline, but can it be reclaimed? Maybe contact admin of the indica-music page (official), wipe it clean (members can stay, bots removed), put some anti-bot protection and move there?


As I remember my talk with Andy, it cannot be reclaimed. The virus reached the batabase, and now it must be purchased to renew it.

As far as I know it is useless to contact Nuclear Blast for paying the costs of the forum.

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Just tossing in an idea:


what ultimately happened to old forum? I see it says offline, but can it be reclaimed? Maybe contact admin of the indica-music page (official), wipe it clean (members can stay, bots removed), put some anti-bot protection and move there?


As I remember my talk with Andy, it cannot be reclaimed. The virus reached the batabase, and now it must be purchased to renew it.

As far as I know it is useless to contact Nuclear Blast for paying the costs of the forum.


Plus, this forum is better :D . No seriously, phpBB is awesome. I'm confident that our spam bot countermeasures will hold. Any actual hacker attacks that would be a threat, I can deal with directly.

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So, ads are no longer an option? I'm not convinced that donation would work either. Even if ten or so people donated once, how many of them would be willing to send money on a regular basis?

Would it be possible to move this forum under indica-music.com without a need to re-register user accounts? This is the official forum and I don't think it would significantly increase the maintenance costs of indica-music.com. So, if it was possible and Nuclear Blast approved it, one solution could be moving the forum there and temporarily shutting down the rest of this fan-site and opening it again when it was financially possible.

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So, ads are no longer an option? I'm not convinced that donation would work either. Even if ten or so people donated once, how many of them would be willing to send money on a regular basis?

Would it be possible to move this forum under indica-music.com without a need to re-register user accounts? This is the official forum and I don't think it would significantly increase the maintenance costs of indica-music.com. So, if it was possible and Nuclear Blast approved it, one solution could be moving the forum there and temporarily shutting down the rest of this fan-site and opening it again when it was financially possible.


Not Possible. Indica-Fans.net and the Forum cannot be separated. That would only make the cost issue worse. (The website and the forum are already going to move, and will be copied exactly as is, accounts in tact).

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I have never seen a donation button work. It's a temporary fix that might get you through a few months, maybe a year or so if you're really lucky.

If ads are needed, go ahead. Anyone who's been on the internet for more than a week has already learned to ignore them anyway.

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The site gets about 3000 hits a day. Ads might actually work.

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Then, by all means, implement them. But aren't most of hits from bots or something like that? If this site really gets 3k hits a day, then I wonder how come we only have <10 active members?


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I have no idea. About 400 unique "human" visitors a day.

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Watchlord wrote:
I gave nuclear blast ads as an example of how google targets ads. Google ads are mute, aproprate, and targeted to th theme of the site, so I assume they would be music related things. Hosting would maybe be around $20-30 a month easily. I can totally cover that cost, but I have no income and a lot of college expenses.

So, basically I can pay for it, but I am more comfortable with a self-sufficient site. The donate button is probably a good idea.

To be honest, I am starting to not like the idea of ads myself.



I know, this is an old thread, but I simply have to answer your message. Google-ads are not all apropriate (atleast in Finland). Good example is one site, that I sometimes go, that is targeted for 7-12 years old girls (althought there is also much older people). But anyways they sometimes have Google-ads with half-naked women in them, and once they even had ad of a Finnish online sexshop. Naturally that kind of ads had nothing to do with the site's content, since all nudity, and stuff like that was and always has been banned. So I don't particularly trust on those ads being targeted for the site.

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It must be different for different countries. Anyway, the donation option has been working perfectly so far.

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I know, this is an old thread, but I simply have to answer your message. Google-ads are not all apropriate (atleast in Finland). Good example is one site, that I sometimes go, that is targeted for 7-12 years old girls (althought there is also much older people). But anyways they sometimes have Google-ads with half-naked women in them, and once they even had ad of a Finnish online sexshop. Naturally that kind of ads had nothing to do with the site's content, since all nudity, and stuff like that was and always has been banned. So I don't particularly trust on those ads being targeted for the site.



Google ads are tailored to the person viewing them based on their viewing history. What have you been looking at? ;)

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